with Norman Sasono (@nsasono), CTO of DANA Indonesia, previously Co-Founder and CTO of Bizzy and LoyaltiExpress. He shared how a boy from Bali with military family line from both grandpas could be interested in technology, his journey before he joined Microsoft for 7 long years. After that how he co-founded two companies with his friends, LoyaltiExpress and Bizzy as CTO. Then he shared how he left Bizzy after 3 and a half year to join DANA as CTO, opportunities to learn fintech, building highly scalable and secure system towards Indonesia cashless society and be a pillar in Indonesia Digital Economy. How to hire engineers and develop them and their career path. Finally he shared his mental model to stand firm against adversity, hard physical training with BJJ (Brazilian Jiu-jitsu) and CrossFit. You can find more info about DANA at IG: @dana.id, website: dana.id. Spoken in Indonesia and English. For updates about Longspeech go to IG: @longspeech.